Comments on: My Kids and Grand Theft Auto Liberty City Stories http://www.herroflomjapan.com/2008/11/04/my-kids-and-grand-theft-auto-liberty-city-stories/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=my-kids-and-grand-theft-auto-liberty-city-stories Binaural Podcasts From Japan Thu, 09 Nov 2017 20:35:12 +0000 hourly 1 By: jeff http://www.herroflomjapan.com/2008/11/04/my-kids-and-grand-theft-auto-liberty-city-stories/#comment-3617 Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:02:16 +0000 http://www.herroflomjapan.com/?p=611#comment-3617 I think it depends on the kid. If he seems well balanced, doesn’t get into trouble a lot, and has no problem separating his fantasy from reality even at a young age, the game’s content will be no problem.

For the violently pre-disposed ADHD sociopath monster child, perhaps he should be filling his mind with something more constructive.

you seem like a “cool dad”… but i know that status is difficult to balance with the responsibilities of being a good father.

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By: Ethan http://www.herroflomjapan.com/2008/11/04/my-kids-and-grand-theft-auto-liberty-city-stories/#comment-3616 Fri, 15 May 2009 15:07:20 +0000 http://www.herroflomjapan.com/?p=611#comment-3616 AtomicOne – Telling someone their job is to go kill, and working to make sure they don’t hesitate to, and someone choosing to go kill are two very different things.

That being said, desensitization does occur. I just don’t think that because I’m more accustomed to seeing dramatized death that I’m any closer to grabbing a gun and committing murder. Maybe I’d have less pity seeing someone die, but again, killing someone is an entirely different deal. A young kid who’s more impressionable may be more likely to, but I also think that good parenting and an open communication path between child and parent is a VERY good deterrent to any anti-social behavior.

P.S. I’d be interested in seeing a source for your target claims. A couple of quick Google searches didn’t really reveal anything…

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By: AtomicOne http://www.herroflomjapan.com/2008/11/04/my-kids-and-grand-theft-auto-liberty-city-stories/#comment-3615 Fri, 15 May 2009 07:12:52 +0000 http://www.herroflomjapan.com/?p=611#comment-3615 A little late to the game with this post… but food for thought:

The US Military used to use round targets to practice shooting. While this worked well for target practice, they would find that sometimes when it came to pulling the trigger soldiers would hesitate before blasting the brains out of one of their human brothers. This made them bad soldiers. Good humans, but bad soldiers.

They then switched to using body silhouettes. The soldiers hesitated less.

They then started using 1st person shooter games. The soldiers hesitated less.

Saying violent video games have no effect whatsoever is a little naive. It’s not that these people will grow up to be serial killers, but it does have a desensitizing effect. Seriously, how can it not?

Day after day, seeing criminals glorified in movies, violence rationalized on TV and video games, it has to have an effect. On adults AND children.

I know my ideas here aren’t popular, and I totally agree that spending time with your children is a vitally important thing to do, but what we feed ourselves when it comes to entertainment, food etc. definitely has a bearing on who we are. No matter what a study says, it’s simple common sense.

Kids thrive when they know they boundaries.

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By: Garrek http://www.herroflomjapan.com/2008/11/04/my-kids-and-grand-theft-auto-liberty-city-stories/#comment-3614 Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:03:41 +0000 http://www.herroflomjapan.com/?p=611#comment-3614 Hey, Rich, where’d you go?

Garreks last blog post: Reflection in Parts II. Gaijin Fishtank @ [site]

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By: Lon http://www.herroflomjapan.com/2008/11/04/my-kids-and-grand-theft-auto-liberty-city-stories/#comment-3613 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:04:02 +0000 http://www.herroflomjapan.com/?p=611#comment-3613 Vanessa – please see my original comment from 04 Nov 2008 at 2:03 pm. Thanks!

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By: Vanessa http://www.herroflomjapan.com/2008/11/04/my-kids-and-grand-theft-auto-liberty-city-stories/#comment-3612 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:59:45 +0000 http://www.herroflomjapan.com/?p=611#comment-3612 Rich – when you were talking with your son, did you make it clear that YOU were saying he couldn’t buy the game? The conversation you transcribed makes it sound like you were saying the STORE wouldn’t let him buy the game. He may not understand the reason a store wouldn’t be allowed to sell him the game, and so when he tried to buy it and was able to, he probably didn’t realize it was a bad thing to do, or that it would disappoint you.

It sounds like Lon and Ethan are getting caught up in their own view of things. Ethan is just saying that if you give a child money, it is possible that he will go out and buy things he shouldn’t. Lon is saying that a parent is still responsible for their child and for what they buy. I’m sure that if Tony had brought home cigarettes and alcohol, Rich’s reaction would have been different. Since those things are actually dangerous to his physical health, it would make sense to take them away and explain why he couldn’t have them. A game is more ambiguous and as long as he thinks his child won’t start copying everything in the game, it makes sense to take the opportunity to enjoy it with his son and try to teach him something from it. Even if the game was taken away from him, he’s likely to run into similar content at some point. Now he knows that it’s something that’s okay to discuss with his dad, rather than something he should hide from him if he runs into it again.

I think that knowing that you can communicate with your parents is more important than just taking away anything that could remotely be a bad influence on them.

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By: Lon http://www.herroflomjapan.com/2008/11/04/my-kids-and-grand-theft-auto-liberty-city-stories/#comment-3611 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 06:14:13 +0000 http://www.herroflomjapan.com/?p=611#comment-3611 One last thing and I’ll promise to be quiet 😉

From day one, we’ve been reading stories to our daughter (now in her mid-teens) and we are still trying to do this every day (as our schedules allow) – no longer are we reading about Foxes in sockes – but have moved on to much more age appropriate fiction and essays. The latest book has us crying with laughter: 8 Simple Rules for Marrying My Daughter. We also have read any/all that Terry Pratchett releases. All this reading time has given our family (daughter, wife, father + cats that care to sit in) a lot of communication time because we often stop talk discuss laugh (and argue at times) over many issues. I cannot help to think that we all understand each other better – and with that understanding comes respect. So if there is some situation similar to Rich’s that comes up (has and most likely will again) we have some grounding in a shared sensibility. I don’t expect our daughter to be a clone of my wife or myself in thought process – she will be her own person – but I have respect for her and hope she respects her parents.

YMMV (we can never know how things will end up – but a parent can try)

Ethan – not all parents are like your own, nor do all parents know what is best or what works – Do NOT take what I say here to be such a claim! But, please, don’t give up trying (having lost my father – a few years back, I cannot tell you how many times I still think of things that I’d love to talk with him about.)

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By: Lon http://www.herroflomjapan.com/2008/11/04/my-kids-and-grand-theft-auto-liberty-city-stories/#comment-3610 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:47:57 +0000 http://www.herroflomjapan.com/?p=611#comment-3610 I agree that Rich made the best of an unfortunate situation. I do not agree with your analysis. Please do not get sidetracked by my analogies (as imperfect as they are) – but the point holds. A minor child given money does not excuse the parent from any responsibility in the purchase or use that the child makes. Suppose the child purchases homework essays from teh interwebs and passes them off as their own at school – technically no laws are even broken here – but this would make most parents I know cringe. Communication is king – I very much agree with this (and hope I didn’t appear to be saying otherwise) – however, speaking as a parent myself, I would prefer to have had the communication up front – before the fact, as it were – and respected by the child. Otherwise, I say, you really aren’t communicating. And that is very sad.

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By: Ethan http://www.herroflomjapan.com/2008/11/04/my-kids-and-grand-theft-auto-liberty-city-stories/#comment-3609 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:35:42 +0000 http://www.herroflomjapan.com/?p=611#comment-3609 Lon, you’re getting sidetracked with the alcohol comment. Alcohol and cigarettes are actually physically dangerous, and are controlled substances for a reason. Something completely different from video games/television (so far, there’s been no real proof whether media actually affects people’s behavior or not — very different from alcohol/cigarettes). I’m well aware of the game’s content, having played each of the games in the series myself. I can definitely understand a parent’s objection to their kids purchasing this game, but my point still stands: if you allow your child to have their own money, they’re going to end up doing what they want with it. Whether they buy something that’s illegal to sell to minors is beside the point, and there are laws to deal with it where it is illegal. A parent can say “no” to something, but if the child has money in their hands, and is allowed to leave the house, they will use it how they want. But my original point (in my first post) is that all this argument about whether it’s okay for the kid to play the game is secondary to what’s most important: communication.

How Rich deals with his son disobeying is a different topic, but I don’t believe he’s being a bad father allowing his son to play the game, ESPECIALLY if he’s there with him.

I’m not too well articulated, so I may not be making my point very well, but it had nothing to do with the game in particular, nor his sons disobedience, but that communicating with his son is important, probably more so than meddling over whether a particular something is appropriate for a child of a given age.

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By: Lon http://www.herroflomjapan.com/2008/11/04/my-kids-and-grand-theft-auto-liberty-city-stories/#comment-3608 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:24:27 +0000 http://www.herroflomjapan.com/?p=611#comment-3608 (yes, Tony is 11 and not 7 – point still holds)

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